Talk:Lilian Baels

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On 15 October 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Lilian, Princess of Réthy to Lilian Baels. The result of the discussion was moved.

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What was the first name of Cardinal Van Roey? -- Zoe

She was never queen-consort, only princess-consort, shouldn't the name of the article be therefore different? like, Lilian, Princess of Rethy or something like that? see Albert, Prince Consort. Gryffindor 15:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She was, however, the consort to a king regardless of her title. It's an exception to the rule I'd say, but I would support renaming the article to Lilian, princesse de Réthy or Lilian, Princess of Réthy as she held that title as her own, regardless of its technical legality. Charles 17:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unbalanced & disputed content

Not only does this article take a peacock tone toward its subject while completely lacking inline citations, but it asserts a narrative (The Queen Mother's role in the romance, the rationale for the alleged religious ceremony and for the (illegally) subsequent civil marriage, the reasons Lilian did not bear the title of queen, etc) that is nether proven nor agreed upon. Worse it asserts as fact that opposition to the marriage, and its importance to the Question royale later, resulted from the machinations of Leopold III's political enemies rather than from the immediate, widespread view of many Belgians that the marriage was simply inappropriate. Lethiere (talk) 02:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Queen

Wait she "declined" to be Queen? So she had a say in what title she was going to recieve? This doesn't sound right to me since her descendants were going to be excluded from the throne. Wasn't she just a morganatic spouse rather than a women who declined to be Queen, which sounds more like the future Camilla in the UK.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 05:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a consensus to move to the alternative proposed name, Lilian Baels. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lilian, Princess of Réthy → Lilian, Princess de Réthy – WP:COMMONNAME - Most sources I've seen use "Princess de Réthy" rather than "of Réthy". [1] Ngrams support this, though "Princess Lilian of Belgium" has been more common in recent years so I would support either title. [2] estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 00:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Lilian Baels – I concur with the nominator's general rationale. Moreover, when adding "Lilian Baels" to the Ngram results (see A), one can see that this term is more popular than the other three, especially prior to 1945 and since 2010. Consequently, it is more probable that "Lillian Baels" will be a recognizable and natural term that readers have in mind when searching for King Leopold III of Belgium's second consort. Additionally, because "Lilian Baels" is already a redirect to the current article title and no other Wikipedia page has a similar title, the term is a precise disambiguator for this consort. Furthermore, "Lilian Baels" is more concise than the other proposed titles and consistent with the fact that other deceased Belgian royal consorts have article titles at their maiden names (i.e. Louise of Orléans, Marie Henriette of Austria, Elisabeth of Bavaria, Queen of the Belgians, and Astrid of Sweden). AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 16:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support this alternate proposal. I hadn't even considered the application of WP:CONSORTS given that Baels wasn't technically queen consort, but the ngrams are convincing to use her maiden name. estar8806 (talk) ★ 04:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Alternative proposal seems to be good. Relisting to see if someone else has any concerns given that the suggestion was only made two days ago. Raladic (talk) 00:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.